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Franzoni

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Dr Holohan has long been a critic of antigen tests, warning repeatedly of the danger they could be misused and give people false security. In his letter, he cited research he said showed the danger of people using the tests incorrectly, and said this risked promoting infection rather than reducing case numbers.


The actual research isn't linked

Is this a legit concern or paternalism on behalf of TH. As in, the general populace aren't to be trusted with self administered tests.

I wouldn't trust a large section of the population to push a dead dog in a wheeelbarrow unsupervised so yes i believe he is right to be concerned as it will be either self administered incorrectly or abused..........
 

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Dr Holohan has long been a critic of antigen tests, warning repeatedly of the danger they could be misused and give people false security. In his letter, he cited research he said showed the danger of people using the tests incorrectly, and said this risked promoting infection rather than reducing case numbers.


The actual research isn't linked

Is this a legit concern or paternalism on behalf of TH. As in, the general populace aren't to be trusted with self administered tests.


I know which I’d believe.
 
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Robutnua

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Dr Holohan has long been a critic of antigen tests, warning repeatedly of the danger they could be misused and give people false security. In his letter, he cited research he said showed the danger of people using the tests incorrectly, and said this risked promoting infection rather than reducing case numbers.


The actual research isn't linked

Is this a legit concern or paternalism on behalf of TH. As in, the general populace aren't to be trusted with self administered tests.
Quiet a number of docs from around the country have been on everyday on shows pretty much saying this. Doc from limerick on Brendan this morning .. she listed a whole lot of misuses that she sees in her practice. Plus she said many are antigen testing positive and not going for the PCR, which leads to alot more unknown positiives out there.

I would very much doubt T Houlihan is just doing this as a power grab .. WHY put a nation at risk by doing that, seems out of character. TBH that to me is a rather lazy, almost populist analysis. The whole antigen thing seems to have got out of control in that the silver bullet WAS Vaccines, now the new silver bullet is ANTIGEN TESTS with many in the media getting hysterical about it. I note Newstalk have gone all antigen, almost as a station policy.

Another thing about human behaviour .. we dont like to self inflict pain or hurt on ourselves. Administering antigen PROPERLY and for best result does involve discomfort and for some alot of. So they have found many people dont use them properly this way and end up with a negative.

A page or so ago i posted an article in the times from the counterpart of Houlihan in Italy who have been antigen testing for way longer. He 100% backs up Tony and pretty much said they wouldnt have done it the way they did from what they found out.

There is a lot more in this than simply analysing it that the CMO is afraid of losing his grasp on his kingdom

And BTW .. if you fully love the idea of antigen testing you actually do not have to listen to Houlihan etc. You can go out and buy up truck loads of them for you and yours .. also from online. Off with you, no one is stopping you from using them. Are we coming to this where one could argue antigen test evangelists are trying to force there use on everyone else also .. if you want to go down that road?
 
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Franzoni

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Are the antigen test kits provided by the government or do you have to go through an authorised provider etc.....or can you source them anywhere...?
 

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So .. seriously. Lets go down this road as a matter of interest. What do ye think about dumping NPHET, shur they have outlived there usefulness havent they, crossed a line.

So lets get rid of tony and co. Great NPHET are now gone. Whats the way forward now?
 

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Are the antigen test kits provided by the government or do you have to go through an authorised provider etc.....or can you source them anywhere...?
Anywhere .. Lidl, Aldi, Online etc .. HSE have no list, but then you can say the same for masks from the beginning and still the case .. face coverings ( a tee shirt up over your nose will suffice )
 
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Franzoni

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Anywhere .. Lidl, Aldi .. HSE have no list, but then you can say the same for masks from the beginning and still the case .. face coverings ( a tee shirt up over your nose will suffice )

So no quality assurance that the test kit is 100% .....

On the other side of it,it cuts out allegations like we have in Britain that a preferred supplier has been given a non tender contract for having the right connections and selling on PPE that isn't up to standard at over inflated prices anyway.........

Some posters got a bit over wrought last week when i suggested the vaccine companies (some of whom now account for vaccine income for over one third of overall profits) might not be the best people to trust implicitly on the data either.....
 

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@Franzoni What I do find amusing about all these demands for guidance here is, for all this pandemic and especially last year or so is people DO NOT WANT NANNY STATE ( inc NPHET, who BTW advice, up to gov to take advice or not ) instructing them any longer ......... but but wait, we now want guidance and instruction in recent weeks around antigen, where what to do in general in fact. Can people make up there minds please, which is it to be?

We are now in the middle of being pretty much having freedom to do what we like, out of lockdowns, not being told what to do for the most part. Thats what people wanted was it not?
 

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@Franzoni What I do find amusing about all these demands for guidance here is, for all this pandemic and especially last year or so is people DO NOT WANT NANNY STATE ( inc NPHET, who BTW advice, up to gov to take advice or not ) instructing them any longer ......... but but wait, we now want guidance and instruction in recent weeks around antigen, where what to do in general in fact. Can people make up there minds please, which is it to be?

We are now in the middle of being pretty much having freedom to do what we like, out of lockdowns, not being told what to do for the most part. Thats what people wanted was it not?

All i can tell you is we do a weekly saliva test on site that everyone has to do or they come looking for you and which seems pretty reliable...........

It picked up on me having Covid within 24 hours despite having no symptoms and was confirmed by PCR test.....

Apparently such suggestions aren't fast enough for the pace of life in the 21st century where everything has to happen right this minute .....but then nature doesn't give a fuck about the 21st century......
 

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All i can tell you is we do a weekly saliva test on site that everyone has to do or they come looking for you and which seems pretty reliable...........

It picked up on me having Covid within 24 hours despite having no symptoms and was confirmed by PCR test.....

Apparently such suggestions aren't fast enough for the pace of life in the 21st century where everything has to happen right this minute .....but then nature doesn't give a fuck about the 21st century......
My brother-in-law has the same system in his factory. They had an on-site test every week. It picked up his Covid although he had no symptoms at the time. Nobody else in his pod had the infection

He went for a PCR test which confirmed that he had Covid. He isolated and symptoms developed

He was quite sick initially but recovered quickly, as he had been vaccinated just 6 weeks prior.

His factory has an excellent record on Covid. Very few cases

Every test helps. I cannot see why they would not be used.
 

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Antigen tests or no antigen tests .....nearly 6,000 cases as at 8am .... [And as my mother used to say, you didn't pick that up on the back wall].

Almost 6,000 new cases of Covid-19 reported

Doesn't seem to be any great change in the other numbers today .... in hospital down 3 from yesterday[640]; must have gone into icu cos that is up 3 [121] ....

Coronavirus: 5,959 new cases confirmed in Ireland · TheJournal.ie
Covid: Further 5,959 cases as HSE takes ‘mitigating actions’ amid surge (breakingnews.ie)
 
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Franzoni

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Antigen tests or no antigen tests .....nearly 6,000 cases as at 8am .... [And as my mother used to say, you didn't pick that up on the back wall].

Almost 6,000 new cases of Covid-19 reported

Doesn't seem to be any great change in the other numbers today .... in hospital down 3 from yesterday[640]; must have gone into icu cos that is up 3 [121] ....

Coronavirus: 5,959 new cases confirmed in Ireland · TheJournal.ie
Covid: Further 5,959 cases as HSE takes ‘mitigating actions’ amid surge (breakingnews.ie)

As you might say yourself Norm things are never as bad that they can't be made worse......

The new projected plateau for case numbers has moved to mid December according to one of the goverment ministers on the radio last week so expect even higher numbers .....
 

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The last couple weeks' update for the fastest vaccine deployment countries. (two weeks ago) The cases average for the second table has reverted to increases, while it remains stable in the first.

The six month case fatality rate (aka cfr6M) has moved forward by a month to the start of November, with the old values on display for reference in the column next to the new ones.
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    Vaccine Doses - vd     Daily Cases - dc*cfr6M        Daily Deaths - dd
     (per 100 people)            (7 day average / million people)
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  19/11   Δw   Δ2w  Δ8w    20/11 cfr6M cfrOLD   %w %2w %8w   20/11    %w %2w %8w
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 1. 217  +1.9  +3.9 +19 | ae   2  .242  .215 |  88  88  21 |   .01 |  25  33   6
 2. 207  +4.2  +9.6 +43 | cl 266 2.145 2.049 |  98 121 476 |  1.06 | 130 146 153
 4. 193  +4.1  +8.1 +23 | sg 132  .364  .338 |  76  73 164 |  1.88 |  81  91 483
 5. 193   +.8  +1.9 +16 | uy  81 1.513 1.656 | 101  95 151 |   .45 |  68 136 180
 7. 173   +.4   +.9 +12 | il  18  .358  .36  | 100  87   7 |   .21 |  54  65  10
 8. 172   +.3   +.6  +4¹| pt  94  .483  .457 | 146 207 276 |   .96 | 155 162 137   
 9. 169  +7   +13.4 +48²| cu  23  .891  .918 |  72  50   4 |   .18 |  78  45   3
10. 168  +3.5  +7.7 +16 | cn  >0 1?    1?    |  54  48  76 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]
11. 168  +1.2  +2.6 +29 | kh   8 2.594 2.246 |  75  58   7 |   .29 |  95  82  29
12. 167   +.9  +1.8  +7 | qa  15  .299  .493 | 104 118 119 |  0    | [0   .1  0 ]
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    183  +3    +5.6 +22 |  μ  65  .989  .973 |  96 102  54 |   .51 |  94 103  47
          +.4   +.7  -2 | Δw  -2             | -10  +8  +1 |  -.03 | -16  +7  +1

    142  +2.9  +4.9 +14¹| eu 531 1.134 1.233 | 129 163 481 |  3.57 | 111 125 288
    140  +1.8  +4.4 +17¹| us 369 1.303 1.167 | 116 130  78 |  3.16 | 101  92  53
     99  +2.7  +5.6 +20¹| un 118 1.745 1.744 | 109 119 112 |   .9  | 100 101  87

 3. 194  +8.3 +10.6 +18¹| is  31  .069  .071 |  98 140 478 |  0    | [0   .4  0 ]
 6. 185  +4    +7.2 +21¹| mt  84  .611  .742 | 122 196 387 |   .32 | (0) 100  25
13. 165 +13.3 +21.3 +64 | bn  76  .691  .858 |  80  51  26 |  0    | [1  1.9 3.5]
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14. 164  +2.8  +6.4 +46¹| kr  25  .471  .385 | 126 128 134 |   .36 | 102 102 274
15. 164  +2.5  +4.6 +12¹| dk 118  .181  .179 | 133 1911159 |  1.15 | 188 214 312
16. 164  +2.4  +4.6 +11¹| es  27  .587  .626 | 156 237 215 |   .41 |  81  95  30
17. 164  +3.5  +6.5 +15¹| ie 278  .324  .322 | 112 135 332 |  1.23 |  58  77 142
18. 163  +4.1  +8.5 +27 | uk 187  .317  .308 | 112 112 122 |  2.15 |  94  87 107
19. 163  +1.6  +3.1 +17 | bh   8  .71   .644 |  92  59  26 |   .08 | (0) (0) 100
20. 157  +2.1  +4.2 +28 | my 237 1.346 1.361 | 104 115  40 |  1.5  |  93  91  17
21. 157  +1.1  +2.3 +11 | ca  60  .941  .773 |  97 109  62 |   .64 |  95  91  61
22. 157  +2.1  +4.2 +16¹| it 194 1.288 1.626 | 164 235 328 |   .91 | 105 132 106
23. 155  +1.5  +3.5 +16 | jp   1  .653  .695 |  83  75   5 |   .02 | 112  36   6
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    161  +2.4  +4.8 +20 |  μ 166  .682  .692 | 112 131 102 |   .84 |  94 100  52
          0     +.4   0 | Δw +17             |  -6  +7 +22 |  -.06 | -13  +3  +3
Code:
- countries are referred to by their internet TLD.
- the 6 month case fatality rate cfr6M equals total deaths by 10/11/21 minus the total by 10/5/21
    divided by total cases for 1/11/21 minus the total for 1/5/21, multiplied by 100.
- %w, %2w and %8w are the ratios of 'dc' to the last week, the last two, and the last 8 weeks times 100.
- average ratios in the μ row are to the mean of the 10 deaths and weighted cases incidences
    for the week.
- countries with less than 100.000 people have ignomously been omitted, and those with fewer than
    a million are listed below the tables to avoid unstable ratios caused by low numbers.
- the ae, cl, cu, es, ie, il, is, jp, kh, kr, pt, qa and sg vaccinations totals for the 19th are
    estimates taken from covidvax.live and/or other sources.
- Turkmenistan is being kept out of the tables for now despite their covidvax estimation as
    the last data entry in from the 28/9. I may also want to see a cross reference of that info.
- [1] the amount of used J&J doses has been multiplied by two where applicable.
- [2] According to wikipedia, the Cuban Abdala vaccine is administered in 3 doses and
       their Soberana 02 vaccine may include a 3rd booster dose after 56 days. To maintain comparability
       the figure for Cuba is the addition of the share of people who received at least one dose and the
       share of the fully vaccinated population taken from the ourworldindata site.


Cuba and Bahrain swap groups.

Booster doses administered per 100 people in the known universe have reached 2.55 jabs. As the tables display vaccine doses, they count half a full vaccination without further precisions as to their actual effect. So far i have not attempted to dig up indications on the adequacy of that proportion. The gut feel is that it may not be out of order with the variation between the different vaccines, but if i'd have to think about reorganising the tables when i'll see facts to the contrary.


Edit: (22/11) Brunei added.
 
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By the end of the winter everyone in Germany will be vaccinated recovered or dead says their health minister.
More Teutonic bluntness (can you just imagine an Irish politician having the balls to com out with this?):-

Austrian Chancellor: 'You don’t only have rights, you have obligations'


Austrian Chancellor: 'You don’t only have rights, you have obligations'

The Chancellor of Austria, Alexander Schallenberg has told the BBC he is sorry that Austria has had to make Covid-19 vaccinations a legal requirement, but that the current low take-up rate is "too little, too late".
"Nobody wants the situation where you don’t get access to an intensive care unit bed because the beds are filled with people who did not get the vaccination and have Covid-19," he told Bethany Bell.


 

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So listening to de radio news shows this morning it would seem for many of the contributors antigen tests are THE new silver bullet.

Cheap price essential and pretty much do one before u go out the door to anything or anywhere every day.

Listening to some saying they would feel happier if they knew all in a place had antigen test plus vax cert.

I wonder should we have access to events and most places inc work, care homes, homes of elderly/high risk restricted, ( legally?? ) requiring cert and/or antigen test proof just before? This would also get around the issue of people out there not vaxed who could just do antigen test ( done properly )?
 
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So €3 a pop is it? Family of 4 .. antigen test each a day .. €60 per 5 day work / school week

€24-36 - 4 people x €2-3 x recommended 3 antigen tests over 5 days.

However, the point stands. The important thing out of all of this, is that certain businesses must make money, preferably out of our pockets as opposed to governments.
 

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€24-36 - 4 people x €2-3 x recommended 3 antigen tests over 5 days.

However, the point stands. The important thing out of all of this, is that certain businesses must make money, preferably out of our pockets as opposed to governments.
I was mentioning 5 days as I can see this going the way of Antigen PP per day needed before they go out he door to anything



We are ripped off here too on the KN95 masks vs europe .. €2.50/€3 a pop VS around .30c each in Europe/online EU
 
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€24-36 - 4 people x €2-3 x recommended 3 antigen tests over 5 days.

However, the point stands. The important thing out of all of this, is that certain businesses must make money, preferably out of our pockets as opposed to governments.
Point of order; the government's pockets are also our pockets.
 

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They're some of our pockets. And as people are being stretched with rising fuel, food and housing costs, that division becomes ever starker.
Absolutely, but at same time if people genuinely cannot afford €60+ a week on antigen tests then they wont be able to do them for any meaningful time on top of all other expenses inc other PPE and what @hollandia said
Yes, but by that logic making them 80 cent for everyone, regardless of income, makes no sense.
 

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I was mentioning 5 days as I can see this going the way of Antigen PP per day needed before they go out he door to anything



We are ripped off here too on the KN95 masks vs europe .. €2.50/€3 a pop VS around .30c each in Europe/online EU
Sorry, this is bullshit and populism (that twitter post).

Well yes you can buy antigen tests in German pharmacies for about €1, but... to use them to gain entry anywhere in Germany you need an official test certificate, which can only be done by test centres and most certainly does not cost €1. Your €1 quick test is only useful in the private sphere, if you want a bit of peace of mind but has zero legal standing if you try use it to travel or go to a restaurant.

What's more, the subsidizing of test centres blew up into a massive scandal across Germany during the summer. Every Tom, Dick and Harry was setting them up (system introduced no regulation, bar an online questionnaire and an internet connection) and the state / health insurers (ie German taxpayers) were paying for the "free" test, €18 per test. People were practically being dragged off the street for free testing before the rules were tightened last month. There were also numerous cases of people receiving test results from a test they never had and so on. On my former street alone, all the dodgy kebab places started turning into testing centres to make more money!

A 10 pack of FFP2 masks costs €8 in my local supermarket in western Germany, and about the same in the other Boots-style places here. You can buy 40 for €25 quid on amazon but the quality is sub-par Chinese crap.

The point is: this cronyism stuff is everywhere.





 
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Yes, but by that logic making them 80 cent for everyone, regardless of income, makes no sense.
No one said 80c bar me adding that tweet showing the 80c price in retail in Germany ( not sure if subbed there ). Here as per recent journo tweet above, if subbed, it will be €3 each .. but then thats the rumour mill
 

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Sorry, this is bullshit and populism.

Well yes you can buy antigen tests in German pharmacies for about €1, but... to use them to gain entry anywhere in Germany you need an official test certificate, which can only be done by test centres and most certainly does not cost €1. Your €1 quick test is only useful in the private sphere, if you want a bit of peace of mind but has zero legal standing if you try use it to travel or go to a restaurant.

What's more, the subsidizing of test centres blew up into a massive scandal across Germany during the summer. Every Tom, Dick and Harry was setting them up (system introduced no regulation, bar an online questionnaire and an internet connection) and the state / health insurers (ie German taxpayers) was paying for the "free" test. There were also numerous cases of people receiving test results from a test they never had and so on. On my former street alone, all the dodgy kebab places started turning into testing centres to make more money!




These quick bites of populism are never that simple, are they?
 
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Absolutely, but at same time if people genuinely cannot afford €60+ a week on antigen tests then they wont be able to do them for any meaningful time on top of all other expenses inc other PPE and what @hollandia said
Why would anyone need to take multiple tests every week?

If they have any symptoms they should take a PCR test. People will continue to use antigen tests when they should be isolating/taking PCR test. Some will keep taking them until they get the desired negative. These things will contribute to the spread. People cannot, or will not, wear a mask properly, they are not going to 1. Collect adequate samples and 2. Only use correctly.

As for the idea of a crowd of drunks self administering in night club queues, what could possibly go wrong.


Meanwhile still no booster walk-in clinics, as confirmed by HSE on twitter on Friday. Yet according to letter in the Irish Times today, boosters were being given on a walk-in basis in Citywest over the weekend.
 
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Yes, but by that logic making them 80 cent for everyone, regardless of income, makes no sense.
It depends. Supplying tests shouldn’t be a profit-making exercise. If cost price + distribution comes to 80c, then 80c makes sense.

The question of subsidising tests, and whether this should be based on means or across the board, is separate to the issue of what the actual cost (without profit) is to get the tests into the hands of the people to be tested.
 
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These quick bites of populism are never that simple, are they?
That said, daily tests were free to residents of certain areas of Germany for quite a while - so there was no cost to those tested. It must have cost the states' governments a fortune, and there was also the issue that, for the amount of the tests needed daily, the bar was set very low on who was qualified to administer the tests. It cost the state(s) a huge amount, and quite possibly some people also make a lot of money out of it.

Self-administered tests set the bar as low, if not lower, to be fair.
 
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Meanwhile still no booster walk-in clinics, as confirmed by HSE on twitter on Friday. Yet according to letter in the Irish Times today, boosters were being given on a walk-in basis in Citywest over the weekend.

Some friends of mine just walked into Citywest at the weekend and got Boosters with no appointment. The only stipulation was that there had to be a five month gap since last vaccination.
 
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Some friends of mine just walked into Citywest at the weekend and got Boosters with no appointment. The only stipulation was that there had to be a five month gap since last vaccination.
I had heard that they would be available at Citywest on Saturday and Sunday, contacted HSE on twitter and asked if this was true. HSE answered that no, it was not going to happen, no walk-in booster centres anywhere.

Kicking myself that I did not go.
 

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I had heard that they would be available at Citywest on Saturday and Sunday, contacted HSE on twitter and asked if this was true. HSE answered that no, it was not going to happen, no walk-in booster centres anywhere.

Kicking myself that I did not go.
Yes, you would have got it. I have heard that there are other walk-in centres also, not sure where....

Once you hear someone from the HSE denying they exist, you know they exist

That's how we roll here...You have spent too long in France. You are starting to take things literally.
 

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That said, daily tests were free to residents of certain areas of Germany for quite a while - so there was no cost to those tested. It must have cost the states governments a fortune, and there was also the issue that, for the amount of the tests needed daily, the bar was set very low on who was qualified to administer the tests. It cost the state(s) a huge amount, and quite possibly some people also make a lot of money out of it.

Self-administered tests set the bar as low, if not lower, to be fair.
This whole thing brings me back to my main concern with the whole antigen testing hype; testing, in and of itself, solves nothing. The question is what do we do with the test results, and I'm seeing no real coherent plan for that. Stay at home if you have a positive is really no different to stay at home if you have symptoms, and for anyone in work is likely to cost a lot more than a 3 euro test.

Used for entry into venues or in workplaces, I can see the point of the tests. Used at home at random they seem to me to be an answer without a question.
 

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Some friends of mine just walked into Citywest at the weekend and got Boosters with no appointment. The only stipulation was that there had to be a five month gap since last vaccination.
I was in citywest yesterday and (according to overhead conversations in the car park) they'd reverted to appointment only. What's more they were fresh out of boosters at 12:30.
 

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I was in citywest yesterday and (according to overhead conversations in the car park) they'd reverted to appointment only. What's more they were fresh out of boosters at 12:30.
As soon as I heard a HSE official being grilled by Claire Byrne and denying outright that there were any walk-in centres, I knew immediately that (a) these centres existed, and (b) that they would be closed/ disappeared/ squared away, almost at once.

GPs were supposed to be only dealing with the over seventies for the moment, with the rest getting appointments in the test centres

A friend of mine--aged 62, no underlying condition---phoned her GP yesterday just on the off-chance. The GP told her to drop into the surgery tomorrow for her Booster.

There are loopholes everywhere, but you have to have your ear to the ground and be ready to jump on them before they are closed off.
 

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This whole thing brings me back to my main concern with the whole antigen testing hype; testing, in and of itself, solves nothing. The question is what do we do with the test results, and I'm seeing no real coherent plan for that. Stay at home if you have a positive is really no different to stay at home if you have symptoms, and for anyone in work is likely to cost a lot more than a 3 euro test.

Used for entry into venues or in workplaces, I can see the point of the tests. Used at home at random they seem to me to be an answer without a question.
And then, of course, there's Tony Hollohan's point that the tests could make things worse if people with symptoms and a false negative result don't stay at home.
 
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