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Emerging Virus'es ( Human, Animal, Bird ) + VARIANTS thread .. ( 02.12.21 - OMICRON new SA data: 2.4x higher risk of reinfection )

Robutnua

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So for 2022 perhaps


Saving millions of lives, antibiotics are one of the miracles of modern medicine. Sadly they are under threat as resistance in bacteria is spreading expeditiously around the planet. Some experts call it one of the biggest threats we currently face as humankind. Yet, we are doing neigh on nothing to stop it.
 

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If it is as powerful as claimed, and already dominant in South Africa, it is only a matter of time

This is how rumours started about Delta

Our poor little Covid Certs---already throwbacks to the original less transmissible variant for which the vaccines were created---will rapidly become obsolete if that boyo takes hold
 

Robutnua

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If it is as powerful as claimed, and already dominant in South Africa, it is only a matter of time

This is how rumours started about Delta

Our poor little Covid Certs---already throwbacks to the original less transmissible variant for which the vaccines were created---will rapidly become obsolete if that boyo takes hold
@Gatsbygirl20


Early signs from diagnostic laboratories suggest the variant has rapidly increased in the most populated province of Gauteng and may already be present in the country's other eight provinces, they said.

South Africa has confirmed around 100 specimens as B.1.1.529, but the variant has also been found in Botswana and Hong Kong, with the Hong Kong case a traveller from South Africa. As many as 90% of new cases in Gauteng could be B.1.1.529, scientists believe.

South Africa has requested an urgent sitting of a World Health Organization (WHO) working group on virus evolution on Friday to discuss the new variant.
 
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If it is as powerful as claimed, and already dominant in South Africa, it is only a matter of time

This is how rumours started about Delta

Our poor little Covid Certs---already throwbacks to the original less transmissible variant for which the vaccines were created---will rapidly become obsolete if that boyo takes hold
Need to immediately introduce mandatory hotel quarantine for travellers from that region. Immediately, as in now, not months later when the country is swamped with it.
 

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Need to immediately introduce mandatory hotel quarantine for travellers from that region. Immediately, as in now, not months later when the country is swamped with it.
Not to be too pessimistic, but after the Australian/ NZ experience, I'm not sure that'll work

Somebody has probably already got on a plane from SA to London, unwittingly carrying this new variant, and they have infected somebody, and that somebody may have already visited Ireland, or will, soon.

Some truck driver carrying the goods we need in our shops and supermarkets will bring it in---like the airport limousine driver who breached the zero Covid cordon sanitaire in Oz or NZ, forget which, and gave them Delta.

We have a border with Britain, we depend on imports....I can't see how we can seal ourselves off totally.

The new variant has to be lucky only once. We have to be lucky all the time.
 

Robutnua

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Need to immediately introduce mandatory hotel quarantine for travellers from that region. Immediately, as in now, not months later when the country is swamped with it.
All we can hope for is UK puts SA on the red list very soon, I reckon they will .. in fairness the brits are well up on the whole variant thing scientifically that is. After that there will be calls for same here at least
 
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Not to be too pessimistic, but after the Australian/ NZ experience, I'm not sure that'll work

Somebody has probably already got on a plane from SA to London, unwittingly carrying this new variant, and they have infected somebody, and that somebody may have already visited Ireland, or will, soon.

Some truck driver carrying the goods we need in our shops and supermarkets will bring it in---like the airport limousine driver who breached the zero Covid cordon sanitaire in Oz or NZ, forget which, and gave them Delta.

We have a border with Britain, we depend on imports....I can't see how we can seal ourselves off totally.

The new variant has to be lucky only once. We have to be lucky all the time.
Immediate mandatory hotel quarantine would not keep it out forever but would delay it's arrival. Had this been done with Delta it would have delayed it's arrival and allowed greater numbers to be vaccinated.

The other EU countries that did this managed to delay arrival, ramp up vaccination, introduce mandatory vaccination, etc and to this day while numbers are rising, they are at lower levels than Ireland. Meanwhile these countries are extending boosters to all over 18 and making them mandatory to retain vaccine certificates.
 

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All we can hope for is UK puts SA on the red list very soon, I reckon they will .. in fairness the brits are well up on the whole variant thing scientifically that is. After that there will be calls for same here at least
The UK has done exactly that

Britain's health minister Sajid Javid said has said that six African countries will be added to England's travel "red list" after the UK Health Security Agency flagged concern over a new coronavirus variant.


Now watch our idiots take weeks "considering" what action is required and once again missing a window of opportunity to delay the arrival of another variant.
 
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@Expose the lot of them @Gatsbygirl20

Just on 9 news - UK suspending flights from SA and other African countries as of tomorrow due to Botswana variant

Would this be enough for us actually? Do we have direct flights to SA etc from Dublin?

Post have crossed.
 

Robutnua

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The UK has done exactly that

Britain's health minister Sajid Javid said has said that six African countries will be added to England's travel "red list" after the UK Health Security Agency flagged concern over a new coronavirus variant.

Now watch our idiots take weeks "considering" what action is required and once again missing a window of opportunity to delay the arrival of another variant.
this thing is NOT just another variant. This thing has so many mutations and changes its like super variant in comparison to Delta. This will put us back to solid lockdown again and maybe for longer. Q is will PCR and Antigens pick it up. Questions over its ability to evade current vaccines also.

SA are calling for emergency WHO meeting on this tomorrow I think
 

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It will be here sooner or later, and it is clear that further vaccine roll out in the form of booster doses, and with the EMA giving the green light for children aged 5 to 11. Delta is rampant at this stage, particularly amongst primary school children. The only reason the bodies are not piled high are because of the huge uptake of vaccines, high levels of mask wearing and social distancing. There may be restrictions coming but certainly not more lockdowns
 

Robutnua

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It will be here sooner or later, and it is clear that further vaccine roll out in the form of booster doses, and with the EMA giving the green light for children aged 5 to 11. Delta is rampant at this stage, particularly amongst primary school children. The only reason the bodies are not piled high are because of the huge uptake of vaccines, high levels of mask wearing and social distancing. There may be restrictions coming but certainly not more lockdowns
Disagree .. if Botswana gets in here and takes over from Delta we will be back in lockdown. This thing is massive degrees worse than delta with 31 or so mutations / changes inc evade our immune systems even with current vax

UK red listing all flights from SA & Africa as of tomorrow plus:

 
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ruserious

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Disagree .. if Botswana gets in here and takes over from Delta we will be back in lockdown. This thing is massive degrees worse than delta with 31 or so mutations / changes inc evade our immune systems even with current vax

UK red listing all flights from SA & Africa as of tomorrow plus:

You’re jumping the gun. The data isn’t there yet to suggest that the new variant sidesteps the vaccines. Extra mutations also doesn’t necessarily mean it is bad. It may be that this variant had a less lethal effect. Await the data. We’ve had enough fear.
 

ted08

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Disagree .. if Botswana gets in here and takes over from Delta we will be back in lockdown. This thing is massive degrees worse than delta with 31 or so mutations / changes inc evade our immune systems even with current vax

UK red listing all flights from SA & Africa as of tomorrow plus:

There would need to be a lot more research to demonstrate that it evades vaccines immune systems and also as how to transmissible it is before coming to that conclusion. Not dismissing concerns and we know there will be more variants, but I'm not going to buy into the alarmist view just yet
 
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There would need to be a lot more research to demonstrate that it evades vaccines immune systems and also as how to transmissible it is before coming to that conclusion. Not dismissing concerns and we know there will be more variants, but I'm not going to buy into the alarmist view just yet
At this stage, this sounds a lot like “more of the same” - it’s not good news, but it’s not a time to expect much good news. Neither is is disastrous news. Viruses mutate, it’s what expected. If a new vmutation means, “there’s no end to this in the near future”, that’s not actually a significant change.
 

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Covering this on NEWSNIGHT BBC 2 now if interested
Thanks. Watched it. Seems the bottom line as regards vaccine effectiveness against it is "not known", just as duration of booster vax effectiveness against current prevalent strains is not known.
 

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They might have to. Im not sure we have any direct flights from SA .. all through Heathrow etc? As of tomorrow morning all flights from SA banned / Red List into UK
According to the Journal, between 500 and 700 people arrive into the UK from South Africa every day. The new strain could be in the UK already

By the time a new strain has been detected and is spreading in a population, it is usually too late to stop it.

Of course that doesn't mean that one shouldn't try.

But where one or two undetected cases can lead to an explosion in cases in a short time, it is almost impossible to stay ahead of each new mutation.
 
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this thing is NOT just another variant. This thing has so many mutations and changes its like super variant in comparison to Delta. This will put us back to solid lockdown again and maybe for longer. Q is will PCR and Antigens pick it up. Questions over its ability to evade current vaccines also.

SA are calling for emergency WHO meeting on this tomorrow I think
What is needed is an immediate ban on flights and passengers from the affected countries, mandatory hotel quarantine for Irish citizens and legal residents travelling from the area.

Immediate extension of vaccine certificate to all indoor and selected outdoor venues. Robust enforcement with immediate closure of premises which are non compliant, substantial fines to be paid before reopening. Permanent closure for second offence. Close the hotel guest loophole.

Mandatory vaccination for employees in certain sectors with suspension without pay or access to social welfare for refusers.

Mandatory mask wearing in all inside and selected outdoor settings.

Ramp up test and trace to a level that is effective in tracing and isolating all positive cases. Sick pay from day one for all isolating awaiting PCR test.

Masks in all schools, PCR test for all pupils in a class with a positive test result.

Boosters available to all over 12, priority to all over 60s who were forced to take AZ, earlier than 5 months.

Boosters for all who had Jensen after three months.

Vaccine passes invalidated six months after second dose.

All of the above is being done in other EU countries, while cases are rising immediate action is being taken and the numbers are lower than in Ireland.
 

seanof

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What is needed is an immediate ban on flights and passengers from the affected countries, mandatory hotel quarantine for Irish citizens and legal residents travelling from the area.

Immediate extension of vaccine certificate to all indoor and selected outdoor venues. Robust enforcement with immediate closure of premises which are non compliant, substantial fines to be paid before reopening. Permanent closure for second offence. Close the hotel guest loophole.

Mandatory vaccination for employees in certain sectors with suspension without pay or access to social welfare for refusers.

Mandatory mask wearing in all inside and selected outdoor settings.

Ramp up test and trace to a level that is effective in tracing and isolating all positive cases. Sick pay from day one for all isolating awaiting PCR test.

Masks in all schools, PCR test for all pupils in a class with a positive test result.

Boosters available to all over 12, priority to all over 60s who were forced to take AZ, earlier than 5 months.

Boosters for all who had Jensen after three months.

Vaccine passes invalidated six months after second dose.

All of the above is being done in other EU countries, while cases are rising immediate action is being taken and the numbers are lower than in Ireland.
Some of those measures are being taken in certain countries. It would be good to have a resource that gave us a comparative table of what measures were being taken in each EU country. The measures in force vary enormously by country.
 
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ruserious

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That is what should be done the idiots in government do not have the ability to make such decisions in a timely manner. Mandatory quarantine should be in place from midnight tonight.
The MHQ legislation lapsed in October. Wasn’t renewed. Gobshites.
 
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