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The Donald Trump Thread

Youngdan

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This thread will be devoted to all things Trump, If you admire Trump, please post.
 
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Many will find it hard to understand why Trump was elected but it is fairly simple,he was the one to promise to Lock Her Up. That is why he won the Republican nomination and then the General Election.
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And yet .. she hasn't been. So, he's so far failed to deliver on his biggest campaign promise.

Does the "Heartland" really care?
 

publicrealm

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It’s a divisive topic but well worth airing.

My own view is that he will ultimately be judged a failure due to his Twitterish behaviour. At the same time I appreciate (I think) part of the reason why people elected him - because they feel, with justification, that they have been taken for granted by the ruling elite.

My concern is that his behaviour - apart from damaging America’s international standing- gives licence to nutters of all hues to indulge in inflammatory rhetoric.

That usually doesn’t end well.
 
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It’s a divisive topic but well worth airing.

My own view is that he will ultimately be judged a failure due to his Twitterish behaviour. At the same time I appreciate (I think) part of the reason why people elected him - because they feel, with justification, that they have been taken for granted by the ruling elite.

My concern is that his behaviour - apart from damaging America’s international standing- gives licence to nutters of all hues to indulge in inflammatory rhetoric.

That usually doesn’t end well.
Agreed.

Furthermore, the fleeting, brittle and ephemeral nature of his dealings with foreign heads of State and government will , I feel hasten America's international decline precipitously.
 
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It’s a divisive topic but well worth airing.

My own view is that he will ultimately be judged a failure due to his Twitterish behaviour. At the same time I appreciate (I think) part of the reason why people elected him - because they feel, with justification, that they have been taken for granted by the ruling elite.

My concern is that his behaviour - apart from damaging America’s international standing- gives licence to nutters of all hues to indulge in inflammatory rhetoric.

That usually doesn’t end well.

Yep, about this I agree. I think he has no solutions, and in the end he will be judged a failure, as you say.

But he ended up getting elected for recognizing and clearly stating problems, which the Democrats simply did not do. The cane could be said for Casey in the presidential election.

Not specifically about Trump, and not necessarily anti-liberal or pro-right, but I think this video, cheesy as it is, does very much hit the nail on the head:


Liberals and the moderate left have fallen into the trap of being too encased in echo-chambers - Trump's election ( and quite possible re-election ) should have been a wake-up call.

But perhaps not.
 
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Yes, the heartland really does care, as the hatred of Hillary was able to overrule all else. The Heartland consist largely of people that will pray to God before each meal. I meet these people all the time. Normally they will not touch a guy with any sort of sexual past. For example when Rudy ran, he knew not to contest Iowa because a lad with 3 wives or was it 4 would be wasting his time. But still Trump got those people on his side by promising to lock her up.

The other promise is to build the Wall. Some has lost patience with this as well but are silent now as it is building to a climax with the Caravan. If the Caravan is stopped they will be mollified for now.

But even so, Ann Coulter, maybe one of his biggest backers, has sharply came out against him on Immigration, but she too must be silent now.

I have yet to figure out whether he is genuine at all or just another puppet of those who has his ear. I believe the last numerous Presidents were puppets.

The last decent real President imho was Kennedy
Interesting points. What I'm getting from what you say isn't so much a vote in support of Trump - who like Rudy played the field - but an anyone but Clinton knee-jerk.

If the caravan is stopped by force of arms and with mortalities, I would predict a huge backlash in the US, and Trump will suffer electorally as a result.
 
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Americans by and large do not care how we are viewed internationally and it was a wave of anti globalist sentiment that sent Jebb Bush packing despite he being the heavy favorite with 100 million dollars starting off
I'd have to disagree.

I know a lot of Americans, albeit largely dwelling on the coasts, who are very concerned about how America and her values are perceived. People who have worked in the Peace Corp. People who believed in the vision of America Kennedy articulated best.
 

Gin Soaked

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Interesting points. What I'm getting from what you say isn't so much a vote in support of Trump - who like Rudy played the field - but an anyone but Clinton knee-jerk.

If the caravan is stopped by force of arms and with mortalities, I would predict a huge backlash in the US, and Trump will suffer electorally as a result.
So while the world would be disgusted, would shame harm Trump?

The drivers for migrants in the EU were the mess in Syria and the general appaling mess that is Africa. Bush and Obama drove the former. Then Angela Merkel extended a welcome no one wanted , like the mother in law at Christmas who gets all her friends to visit your house even though you can't stand any of them.

Now the US wants to say no to fewer migrants who they can actually use and don't have to feed or house....

Smacks of pure racism but can't see it harming him.
 

T. Leaf

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Every time I hear any of Trump's declarations or read one of his tweets, I think, this can't be real. A man who throws tantrums like a child if he is not praised - let alone criticised - who continually lies, who acts like a blustering bully and shouts down his opponents, is the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

As to how he got elected, that is simple. He tapped into the fears of an awful lot of America people, who have been ignored and left behind by the political elite, and promised to rectify them. It works every time.
 
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Who will run for the Democrats in 2020? There doesn't seem to be much talent in their ranks. Hillary again??
 

Gin Soaked

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Coulter may be unhinged and there are more important voice like Laura Ingraham etc but she is more damaging as she was the one most vocal in her support from day one. It is embarrassing to have a best selling book praising Trump and then having to eat her words. It is also unusual because even on a tiny website, we ourselves will not admit to error.



He is not so awesome in her opinion any more.
She's basically saying he is weak and has not followed through on the alt-right wingnuttery she wants. But she's going to vote for him over a Dem.

What Republican candidate is to the right of Trump but could actually be electable as president ? Until there is a prospect there, she and others are stuck with Donald.

Note, I have not suggested that the Reps will look for a less divisive figure in 2020. Not going to happen this side of impeachment and Pence declining to run.
 

publicrealm

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I'd have to disagree.

I know a lot of Americans, albeit largely dwelling on the coasts, who are very concerned about how America and her values are perceived. People who have worked in the Peace Corp. People who believed in the vision of America Kennedy articulated best.
Yes, these are the people you meet and democrats win on the coasts, California, New England and the large minority cities. A person in Kansas will not be concerned at all
I'm sure you are correct as I'm not really familiar with the US political scene. Maybe it's us Europeans who are most disappointed by his performance.

I'm strongly pro America (despite being a greeny libtard clackwanker - or whatever the phrase de jour is). America has been a very good friend for Ireland. The Statue of Liberty is as iconic to many of us as the Fastnet lighthouse was to those who had to emigrate in the bad times.

I recognise that in some ways President Trump is a breath of fresh air (compared to Hilary, for example) but, from our old-world perspective, a great power should speak softly rather than sinking to name calling of tin-pot dictators (such as rocket-man) and bragging about the size of his stick.

(I also imagine the US military are concerned by this?)
 
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You see Youngdan, to those of us hereabouts young enough in Ireland to remember the Haughey era and the Ahern era, Trump, his policies and 'speaking to,the heartland' is a painfully familiar con, and the punchline largely is on us.

Trumpism for me follows a very similar trajectory - self contradictory, largely mutually incompatible pie-in-the-sky promises and the rest of the world laughing hard at fruits of your democratic choice.

It is my very genuine impression that the faith you and the 'heartland' place in Trump is misplaced. My interest in US politics is purely cursory - since Trumps election I've largely lost interest, because of the above.
 

publicrealm

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A geopolitical questionmark from the Guardian - perhaps a conspiracy too far - but we do appear to be through the looking-glass?

Days before he took office in 2017, Mr Trump said that “the closest I came to Russia” was in selling a Florida property to a Russian oligarch in 2008. If Mr Cohen’s statement is true, Mr Trump was telling his country a lie. What is more, the Russians knew it. Potentially, that raises issues of US national security. If Mr Putin knew that Mr Trump was concealing information about his Russian business interests, this could give Moscow leverage over the US leader. Mr Trump might feel constrained to praise Mr Putin or to avoid conflicts with Russia over policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/30/the-guardian-view-on-donald-trumps-credibility-americas-compromised-leader
 
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Surely ye did not expect anything from those two who were obvious shysters to all. The difference is that the heartland fully expect action. I have no great Faith in Trump at all. I believe he is just acting the part, as Obama and all the others did, or he is real but actually a buffoon.

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I do not accept he could be a buffoon. He outfoxed many in the NYC real estate market and survived where others failed. He handled both the Mob and the New Jersey Gambling Regulators(another mob). He had a hugely successful TV show, He outwitted everyone on both sides with a billion dollars behind them to win the prize. He is the greatest promoter since P T Barnum

But yet, we(buffoons ourselves perhaps) are to think he is a buffoon.

Ross Perot was supposed to be a buffoon as well despite building a computer company worth 3 billion back in 1991.
We fell - hook, line and sinker. I think the US has too.

He is not a buffoon - clearly not. He may indeed have outfoxed some in the NYC areal estate world, but his tax compliance remains an unanswered question. I'd be quare surprised if there weren't a few 'big fellas' konocking about with bale outs.

Promoter? Sure. Satirist Scott Adams (of "Dilbert" fame) calls him the Greatest Persuader. Perhaps so. And also very familiar.

To me, Trump and his clan are nothing more than America's Haugheys.

No good can come of this DanOg
 
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You may be right, but certainly the Clintons were more Haughey like, a least Trump actually succeeded in the private secor and was not sucking off the public tit from day 1.
True.

But then he did suck his Dad's tit from the get-go, so in both cases apart from the men in question, someone else was copiously milked in both circumstances.
 
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That is a small tit, an awful lot of people here get an easy few million, in his case one. To grow it into about 5 billion is a tall order
He's no self made billionaire. He's a confidence trickster. A very, very clever one. But a smoke and mirrors man nonetheless.

I think I recall reading - I can't recall where - that municipalities went broke trying to entice Trump casinos and hotels whither and Anon.

If that's true, then that must also count as sucking the public teat.
 

Sidewinder

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That is a small tit, an awful lot of people here get an easy few million, in his case one. To grow it into about 5 billion is a tall order
One? He got over 400 million from Daddy FFS.

Plus he's a terrible businessman who managed to bankrupt a casino. A casino. It got to the point where no US bank would lend to him any more and he had to run to everyone's favourite Russian oligarch money-laundering facility Deutsche Bank. Most of his "property" he either doesn't own - he just licenses use of the name Trump - or it is leveraged up the wazoo. That's why he had to spend the last decade before running for President scrabbling around in places like fecking Georgia (the ex-Soviet Republic, not the US State) for grubby property deals. All his other business ventures outside of property, Trump University, Trump Steaks etc, all bombed.

He repeatedly makes bonkers remarks on economic matters from trade deals to Fed interest rate policy that show he doesn't actually understand any of it. At all.

There's a good chance the guy is close to broke and isn't anywhere near a billionaire. Hence the panic over releasing his tax returns.

Honestly anyone who still thinks this clown is some sort of business genius needs their head examined.
 

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Coulter may be unhinged and there are more important voice like Laura Ingraham etc but she is more damaging as she was the one most vocal in her support from day one. It is embarrassing to have a best selling book praising Trump and then having to eat her words. It is also unusual because even on a tiny website, we ourselves will not admit to error.



He is not so awesome in her opinion any more.
It's good to learn from your mistakes.
 

Truthisfree

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God I hope not - wasn't the right candidate in 2016 and certainly not the right one in 2020
Bernie Sanders is looking to run again, getting on in years but sharp as hell, very much in favour with young people too which bodes well for the future. Trump has the lowest popularity of any president ever in US history and at this stage will struggle for re-election. The sooner this toxic orange chump leaves the stage the better.
 

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Bernie Sanders is looking to run again, getting on in years but sharp as hell, very much in favour with young people too which bodes well for the future. Trump has the lowest popularity of any president ever in US history and at this stage will struggle for re-election. The sooner this toxic orange chump leaves the stage the better.
I'm not sure Bernie can win , but a candidacy would surely shake up the political landscape much more than Trump did. Currently the choice is basically centre right or right of centre. Centre left, as represented by Sanders would basically have been viewed as communism twenty years ago.
 

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Coulter may be unhinged and there are more important voice like Laura Ingraham etc but she is more damaging as she was the one most vocal in her support from day one. It is embarrassing to have a best selling book praising Trump and then having to eat her words. It is also unusual because even on a tiny website, we ourselves will not admit to error.



He is not so awesome in her opinion any more.
She is obsessed with immigration and stopping it , and short of a total shutdown of the of the southern US border she was never going to be happy with any president.
 
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Bernie Sanders is looking to run again, getting on in years but sharp as hell, very much in favour with young people too which bodes well for the future. Trump has the lowest popularity of any president ever in US history and at this stage will struggle for re-election. The sooner this toxic orange chump leaves the stage the better.
Sanders wouldn't stand a chance in a Presidential election. Socialism is still a dirty word in the US. He would get a sizeable vote from those under 30 but I doubt Florida, Ohio Wisconsin would swing in his favour.
 

Truthisfree

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Sanders wouldn't stand a chance in a Presidential election. Socialism is still a dirty word in the US. He would get a sizeable vote from those under 30 but I doubt Florida, Ohio Wisconsin would swing in his favour.
You could easily say the same about O'Rourke, another two years of Trump and you could see a massive swing to the left, already started...
 

Truthisfree

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This is absolutely insane...I have been thinking the last week that Trump is losing his marbles...

 
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