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The English Channel - ( 24.11.21 - at least 31 people dead, capsized boat )

Robutnua

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Very sad event this afternoon ... so far 31 PEOPLE have died in a tragedy in the English Channel inc Women and Children. RIP to each and every one of them


Even after such a tragedy we have the blame game firmly in motion with the French and UK having at it, initially started with and still to an extent blaming the smugglers who got approx €5000 PP to cross in overloaded dingys. On BBC and other channels I heard various interviews with French and English blaming each other in subtle ways.

Pritti Patel tweeted this in last 2 hours:


It is why this Government’s New Plan for Immigration will overhaul our broken asylum system and address many of the long-standing pull factors encouraging migrants to make the perilous journey from France to the United Kingdom.

We will continue to intensify all cooperation with France and other European partners to prevent migrants embarking on these deadly journeys.


( I do note the use of the words FRENCH WATERS as opposed to the English Channel )

From UK side immigration "experts" saying all these people need to be picked up while in the channel and transported back to France, end of. French saying its UK immigration policies are at fault. Of course relations between UK and France are well fraught over the B word which unfortunately is not to far away from this?

Many saying this unfortunately was inevitable

Very sad situation with people so desperate to escape to a better life now dead.

Im afraid it will degrade fast into toxic politics and the needed cooperation going forward may not come about .. hope Im wrong

 
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This is an utter tragedy, the coverage of a dinghy crossing on the news was terrifying.

Problem is, unless they can travel commercially, this, or similar, is it.

The list of countries of origin is mostly a list of places the UK has screwed over with their foreign policy.
 

Robutnua

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On SKY just there.

Now that UK out of EU .. People like this can go to any country of there choice to seek asylum .. based on International Law / UN rights. EU has Dublin convention which tried to circumvent this via the country you land in is the country you seek asylum in but UK cannot use this now nor tell france to either because these people wanting asylum in UK have to right to do so under international law
 
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On SKY just there.

Now that UK out of EU .. People like this can go to any country of there choice to seek asylum .. based on International Law / UN rights. EU has Dublin convention which tried to circumvent this via the country you land in is the country you seek asylum in but UK cannot use this now nor tell france to either because these people wanting asylum in UK have to right to do so under international law
Spot on, there's something unnerving about all the hand wringing about these poor souls who died. Not wanted while breathing, but upon tragic death eulogised by every two bit hack offered a microphone. As with Belarus's weaponisation of refugees, there is no care about those who try to go to Britain on either side of the channel, their lives are inconveniences to domestic politics where centrists in every country now seek to stem the rise of the far right.

Just a mere taste of what is to come when the climate disaster makes regions practically uninhabitable, it's notable that the film Children of Men is going through a revival in some circles.
 

Jaysus

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Spot on, there's something unnerving about all the hand wringing about these poor souls who died. Not wanted while breathing, but upon tragic death eulogised by every two bit hack offered a microphone. As with Belarus's weaponisation of refugees, there is no care about those who try to go to Britain on either side of the channel, their lives are inconveniences to domestic politics where centrists in every country now seek to stem the rise of the far right.

Just a mere taste of what is to come when the climate disaster makes regions practically uninhabitable, it's notable that the film Children of Men is going through a revival in some circles.
In this instance, you have the most relevant of usernames.
 
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This is an utter tragedy, the coverage of a dinghy crossing on the news was terrifying.

Problem is, unless they can travel commercially, this, or similar, is it.

The list of countries of origin is mostly a list of places the UK has screwed over with their foreign policy.
Watching the BBC news, what I found horrific was the fact that a camera crew filmed a "boat" being filled to overcrowding on the morning of the tragedy. Have film crews not got a legal, or moral, obligation to report this activity to the authorities. While it cannot be confirmed that the "boat" filmed was the one that sank, the potential for tragedy was obvious.
 

Shaadi

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On SKY just there.

Now that UK out of EU .. People like this can go to any country of there choice to seek asylum .. based on International Law / UN rights. EU has Dublin convention which tried to circumvent this via the country you land in is the country you seek asylum in but UK cannot use this now nor tell france to either because these people wanting asylum in UK have to right to do so under international law
It shouldn't be that hard to patrol the English Channel. There are only so many miles of suitable points from which to set sail. Surely a series of drones every mile or so off the Coast of France should be able to pick out and zoom in on the migrant runners boats before they are too far off the Coast.

On the one hand the French are being arseholes for not effectively policing the Channel on their side and on the other hand the UK must be doing something that continues to attract the Migrants that are plaguing the French shores.

If the UK wants more cooperation then they should shut down their potty mouthing of the French and Europeans.
 
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Robutnua

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It shouldn't be that hard to patrol the English Channel. There are only so many miles of suitable points from which to set sail. Surely a series of drones every mile or so off the Coast of France should be able to pick out and zoom in on the migrant runners boats before they are too far off the Coast.

On the one hand the French are being arseholes for not effectively policing the Channel on their side and in the other the UK must be doing something that continues to attract the Migrants that are plaguing the French shores.

If the UK wants more cooperation then they should shut their potty mouthing of the French and Europeans.
And certain people in power in UK also big part of the problem I think

 
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It shouldn't be that hard to patrol the English Channel. There are only so many miles of suitable points from which to set sail. Surely a series of drones every mile or so off the Coast of France should be able to pick out and zoom in on the migrant runners boats before they are too far off the Coast.

On the one hand the French are being arseholes for not effectively policing the Channel on their side and on the other hand the UK must be doing something that continues to attract the Migrants that are plaguing the French shores.

If the UK wants more cooperation then they should shut down their potty mouthing of the French and Europeans.
This is not France's problem, the destination of choice by these migrants is the UK and the UK has a responsibility towards them. If the citizens of the UK are adverse to the idea of migrants/refugees turning up on their shores then their government should refrain from meddling and stop their fighter jets being deployed to bomb their countries to rubble.
Who can live in those places being continuously ravaged by Western armies? the UK being a prime participant.
The UK should face up to its responsibilities and allow these unfortunates unfettered access, it's the very least they can do..
 
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