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The Fracturing of British Politics

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Probably needs to be in another thread, but so far, the Aussies are getting their own nuclear submarines.
At a price to be determined.
And of course after sales service and nuclear waste disposal will be at very competitive rates!
 

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hollandia

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Good riposte actually


How Rayner defended her claim about Tories being 'scum'
This is what Angela Rayner told Sky’s Trevor Phillips on Sunday about why she called the Tories “scum” at a meeting last night. She said:
Anyone who leaves children hungry during a pandemic and can give billions of pounds to their mates on WhatsApp, I think that was pretty scummy.
Now that is a phrase, and let me contextualise it, it’s a phrase that you would hear very often in northern working-class towns. We’d even say it jovially to other people. And that to me is my street language …
I’m not saying that anyone who voted for Conservatives are racist, scummy and homophobic …
I’m saying the prime minister has said those things and has acted in that way …
If the prime minister wants to apologise, and remove himself from those comments that he’s made that are homophobic that racist, that are misogynistic, then I will apologise for calling him scummy.
Apparently Miliband's piece on climate change was good too.
 

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Labour have a balancing act ahead of them. There are a significant amount of old style socialist Corbyn type members remaining.
Starmer wanted to lighten their vote and increase the weight of the Unions vote and move away from one member one vote but he hit the skids.
 
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The BLP is a 3 ring circus..
Its got to be a bit difficult being a Socialist chasing racist working class votes. Which is where they find themselves. Labour the party of Islington middle classes? It's because they aren't racist in the main.

Full disclosure former Labour member 'acnkey sarf.
 

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Mr Pie's perspective.

He's right. People seem to have forgotten there even is another way.

I know people who have family members who wouldn't be here without the NHS, and they want it replaced by an American system. They fail to realise that the NHS is the way it is now because of twelve f** years of Tory government.
 

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And despite the series of own goals by the Tories, the empty shelves, the Chancellor having to promise that there would be x mas presents for the kids and all the rest of the misery the posh bastards are inflicting on their country:;

 
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And despite the series of own goals by the Tories, the empty shelves, the Chancellor having to promise that there would be x mas presents for the kids and all the rest of the misery the posh bastards are inflicting on their country:;

It’s become a mini Trump land.
 

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And despite the series of own goals by the Tories, the empty shelves, the Chancellor having to promise that there would be x mas presents for the kids and all the rest of the misery the posh bastards are inflicting on their country:;

Excellent website that - hadn't seen the 'poll of polls' bit before.
 

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I was only vaguely aware of this issue filing it under gossip but it is reflective of the Labour Party that they allowed her to question the Foreign Secretary back in July with regard to the country the name of which she could not pronounce.

 

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What will it take for the decent ones (there must be many, in fairness) to rediscover their spines?

Former Conservative Prime Minister Sir John Major this morning became the latest figure to hit out at the current government over the the Owen Paterson scandal.

In an extraordinary broadside, Major - who lead the government and the party from 1990 to 1997 - called the current cabinet's behaviour 'very un-Conservative' and argued some of their actions have been 'politically corrupt'.

'There’s a general whiff of "we are the master’s now" about their behaviour and I think this is cutting through to the public,' Major told the BBC Radio 4 Today Programme.


 

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It seems that Mr Johnson is not to blame for the shambolic corruption circus that passes for a UK government, or the utterly clueless and amoral clowns he selected for cabinet. He deserves better, apparently.

Allies of Boris Johnson last night told him to sort out the ‘shambles’ in No 10 as backbenchers warned his authority has been ‘truly shattered’.

Senior Conservatives urged the Prime Minister to conduct a major overhaul of his top team in the wake of his botched handling of the Owen Paterson sleaze row.

Lord Moylan, an adviser to Mr Johnson during his time as London mayor, said the Prime Minister was being ‘let down badly’ by both his ministers and inner circle in Downing Street.

‘There’s no escaping the fact that the No 10 operation is a shambles, worst for decades,’ said the Tory peer.

‘It needs a thorough clear out, with new people who both share the PM’s ambitions for the UK and can think out consequences of what they do.’

He added: ‘As for the Cabinet, there are lots of capable people at different levels in the Government but we don’t see them and instead continue with a Cabinet that, at best, fails to inspire and, at worst, fails to deliver.

‘Boris Johnson deserves better. [It is] not too late for him to act on this.’



The level of delusion is quite astonishing.

Somebody should form a different political party, in 'opposition' to the incumbent sleazeballs..
 

midlander12

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What will it take for the decent ones (there must be many, in fairness) to rediscover their spines?

Former Conservative Prime Minister Sir John Major this morning became the latest figure to hit out at the current government over the the Owen Paterson scandal.

In an extraordinary broadside, Major - who lead the government and the party from 1990 to 1997 - called the current cabinet's behaviour 'very un-Conservative' and argued some of their actions have been 'politically corrupt'.

'There’s a general whiff of "we are the master’s now" about their behaviour and I think this is cutting through to the public,' Major told the BBC Radio 4 Today Programme.


That's a bit pot/kettle, frankly. I personally like Major and admire his recent stances, but his 1992-97 admin was synonymous with 'sleaze', including one cabinet minister and ended up in jail, and apparently is now enjoying a second career as a prison chaplain!
 

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That's a bit pot/kettle, frankly. I personally like Major and admire his recent stances, but his 1992-97 admin was synonymous with 'sleaze', including one cabinet minister and ended up in jail, and apparently is now enjoying a second career as a prison chaplain!

In fairness, Major alluded to that in his interview, but explained that the main difference was that he set up The Nolan Committee on Standards In Public Life, to stop the sleaze----while Johnson's government tries to defend it.
 

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In fairness, Major alluded to that in his interview, but explained that the main difference was that he set up The Nolan Committee on Standards In Public Life, to stop the sleaze----while Johnson's government tries to defend it.
Fair enough, didn't see that - as I said, I like Major, but I'm a bit tired of yesterday's politicos denouncing their successors as if the latter had invented corruption and/or extremism. An extreme example would be that newly-reincarnated moderate Dubya criticising Trump for taking the GOP too far to the right......
 

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The Conservative Party has been accused of guaranteeing peerages to a group of multi-millionaires who have donated more than £3 million to the party.

Wealthy backers who take on the temporary role of party treasurer appear to be offered a seat in the House of Lords once they have donated the set figure.

All 16 of the Conservatives' main treasurers, excluding the most recent, were offered a seat in the Lords in the past two decades including Peter Cruddas, Lord Spencer, Lord Fraser, Lord Lupton and Lord Farmer.

According to the investigation by The Sunday Times and Open Democracy, six former Tory ministers felt uneasy about the practice, some calling it a 'scandal'.

One ex-party chairman said: 'The truth is the entire political establishment knows this happens and they do nothing about it...The most telling line is once you pay your £3 million, you get your peerage.'

Another former minister called it a 'scandal in plain sight' whilst another alleged that 'a law of omerta' silences anyone from discussions of a link between donations and seats.



I really don't see the problem here - you pony up £3m and you get a peerage and some fancy dress - probably worth it really? A sort of exclusive club membership fee for the insecure wealthy.

Others inherit their seats - having contributed nothing?
 

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The Conservative Party has been accused of guaranteeing peerages to a group of multi-millionaires who have donated more than £3 million to the party.

Wealthy backers who take on the temporary role of party treasurer appear to be offered a seat in the House of Lords once they have donated the set figure.

All 16 of the Conservatives' main treasurers, excluding the most recent, were offered a seat in the Lords in the past two decades including Peter Cruddas, Lord Spencer, Lord Fraser, Lord Lupton and Lord Farmer.

According to the investigation by The Sunday Times and Open Democracy, six former Tory ministers felt uneasy about the practice, some calling it a 'scandal'.

One ex-party chairman said: 'The truth is the entire political establishment knows this happens and they do nothing about it...The most telling line is once you pay your £3 million, you get your peerage.'

Another former minister called it a 'scandal in plain sight' whilst another alleged that 'a law of omerta' silences anyone from discussions of a link between donations and seats.



I really don't see the problem here - you pony up £3m and you get a peerage and some fancy dress - probably worth it really? A sort of exclusive club membership fee for the insecure wealthy.

Others inherit their seats - having contributed nothing?
If you have 3mil why do you need a peerage?
 
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